Friday, October 11, 2013

Polygamy in the Bible


Actually, there is no place in the Bible where polygamy is forbidden, on the contrary, we find that it was told in the Bible that some prophets had more than one wife, for example Abraham had Sarah and Hajar, then after Sarah died, he had Keturah and other concubines as mentioned in Genesis 25:1-6, Jacob had 2 wives 2 handmaids:
Gen 32:22 And he rose up that night, and took his two wives, and his two handmaids, and his eleven children, and passed over the ford of the Jabbok.
David had 9 wives, 6 mentioned in that script:
2Sa 3:2 And unto David were sons born in Hebron: and his first-born was Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; 2Sa 3:3 and his second, Chileab, of Abigail the wife of Nabal the Carmelite; and the third, Absalom the son of Maacah the daughter of Talmai king of Geshur; 2Sa 3:4 and the fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith; and the fifth, Shephatiah the son of Abital; 2Sa 3:5 and the sixth, Ithream, of Eglah, David’s wife. These were born to David in Hebron.
plus Michal (2 Sa 6:23), Batheshba (2 Sa 11:26) and Abishag the Shunammite (1Ki 1:3) plus more than 10 concubines:
2Sa 15:16 And the king went forth, and all his household after him. And the king left ten women, that were concubines, to keep the house.
Also Solomon had 1000 women 700 concubines and 300 wives, as in 1Ki 11:1-11, and what the Bible condemned wasn’t having women, but that these women were disbelievers so they drove him (We Muslims totally reject that blasphemy that Solomon worshipped idols, he is innocent from this)
The Old Testament clearly sanctions it:
Deu 21:15 If a man have two wives, the one beloved, and the other hated, and they have borne him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the first-born son be hers that was hated;
So it tells that if a man had two wives, and didn’t say that it is forbidden.
And after the Bible tells what David made with Batheshba (Which we also consider as a blasphemy against God’s prophet David), it tells that God said to him:
2Sa 12:8 and I gave thee thy master’s house, and thy master’s wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added unto thee such and such things.
So the Bible tells that if David needed more (which includes women), and not to commit adultery, God would have gave him, and let him do it.

Monday, September 2, 2013

Concept of salvation between Islam and Christianity

In Islam, it is neither work alone nor faith alone get man to Paradise. It’s both actually, Allah says in the Quran:
But as for those who believe and do good works, for them are the Gardens of Retreat – a welcome (in reward) for what they used to do.(Sura 32:19)
See, belief is mentioned before good works, because actually good works alone do nothing if they were without belief, and belief without good works is not a serious belief. So actually good works are an indication of belief and that’s why in Islam we are accounted on our good and bad deeds, where bad deeds negate good deeds and the rank of every man in Paradise is dependent on his score of good and bad deeds, so actually good and bad deeds distinguish between believers in Paradise rather than meaning that man shall enter Paradise because of his deeds:
47. And We shall set up balances of justice on the Day of Resurrection, then none will be dealt with unjustly in anything. And if there be the weight of a mustard seed, We will bring it. And Sufficient are We as Reckoners.(Sura 21:47)
Associate this verse with this hadith:
Jabir reported that the Prophet of Islam said: “No good works of yours can ever secure heaven for you, nor can they save you from hell – not even me, without the grace of God.”

God promised us that if we believed and obeyed Him, we shall go to Paradise:
9. Allah has promised those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah – Islamic Monotheism) and do deeds of righteousness, that for them there is forgiveness and a great reward (i.e. Paradise). (Sura 5)
Now concerning sins, what if a man is a sinner? If he repented, God shall forgive him:
110. And whoever does evil or wrongs himself but afterwards seeks Allah’s Forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Sura 4)
If the sin was against God,then God has the right to forgive him, if the sin was against someone else as murder or insult for example, God won’t forgive it unless the one whom was sinned against forgives the sinner, otherwise, he shall take from his good deeds, if the sinner has no good deeds, he will receive the sins of the one whom he sinned against.

What if the sinner didn’t repent and doesn’t have good works that outweigh these sins?
116. Verily! Allah forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom he pleases sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, has indeed strayed far away. (Sura 4)
The only sin that shall let someone be eternally in Hell is Shirk which is associating partners with Allah and not believing Islam is the right religion. Other sins are either forgiven by God’s mercy or by going to Hell for some time till they are cleaned from the sins and enter Heaven afterwards.
So if  they are Muslims even if they are sinners, they shall enter Paradise, but after being cleansed of their sins in Hell.
So simply salvation in Islam is first through faith, so that actually all Muslims shall go to Paradise, based on their deeds, they shall distinguish, some will be in the higher ranks of Heaven, some will be in lower ranks, some shall go to Hell first till he is cleansed out of his sins, then he shall go to Paradise. Deeds doesn’t mean that man can fulfill God’s blessings by his good deeds, but they are a sign of loyalty to God as long as they are associated with real faith, so that he gains God’s mercy that shall let him go to Paradise. But good deeds without faith shall not be accepted by God:
27. And (O Muhammad ) recite to them (the Jews) the story of the two sons of Adam [Habil (Abel) and Qabil (Cain)] in truth; when each offered a sacrifice (to Allah), it was accepted from the one but not from the other. The latter said to the former: “I will surely kill you. ” The former said: “Verily, Allah accepts only from the pious”
In Christianity, considering that Jesus needed to die for people’s sin I see this concept as blasphemous to God as God needn’t die to forgive people’s sin, this is weakness not justice, God has the right to forgive those who sinned against him as I have the right forgive anyone who insulted me, that has nothing with me being just or not, but actually people consider this as something good I do, so it has nothing to do with God’s justice, but it actually poses a couple of questions.
Christians cite this point of Jesus’ death with the atonements in the OT. According to Christian belief, who put the rule that there must be an atonement for blood so that the sins are forgiven, who put this rule? Isn’t He God? So how can this be a sacrifice? What Jesus did is not a sacrifice, but he just gave a solution to the problem God of Christianity caused? He is the one who put the rule and it was found to be impractical, he did what he did to solve the problem. So either God of Christianity didn’t know the consequences of this rule, so he found a problem and solved it, which is against God’s omniscience, or that he actually knew and did what he did to make a show that he loves you.
The second thing, what I know is that people are accounted for their intention, if you do something and this deed gives consequences other than who you intended it to be, then you are actually accounted for your intention not for the consequences, for example if I robbed a guy walking in the street and gave what I stole as a present to a friend of mine, then I discovered that the guy I robbed actually stole this stuff from my friend, am I a thief or a noble guy who wanted to help my friend? For sure a thief, as my intention was just to rob a guy and I didn’t know the other part of the story. That’s exactly what the death of Jesus was about, it wasn’t intended by the Jews to make a sacrifice or atonement so that Jesus takes away their sins, they were just looking to him as someone who shall destroy their leadership and positions and they wanted to get rid of him. So the whole action can be accounted as an atonement, but as murder crime, and this has nothing with what Jesus himself intended, because he is not the one who implemented the action, otherwise he would kill himself.

Friday, June 14, 2013

Concept of God in Islam

A common misconception Christians have about Islam is that they think Muslims have nothing to do with God except fearing Him. They think that God in Islam is just distant God and the way of worship Muslims should do is just through different works and rites God ordered Muslims to do without any spiritual relationship between a Muslim and God.
To answer this misconception we must first talk about what the Quran tells about Allah. We can first give what some verses tell about attributes of God.These verses tell about the Mightiness and Mercy of God:
22.  Allah is He, than whom there is no other god –
-    Who knows (all things) both secret and open;
-    He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
23.  Allah is He, than whom there is no other god –
-    the sovereign,
-    the Holy One,
-    the Source of Peace (and Perfection).
-    The Guardian of Faith,
-    the Preserver of Safety,
-    the Exalted in Might,
-    the Irresistible,
-    the Supreme:
Glory to Allah! (high is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.
24. He is Allah,
-    the Creator,
-    the Evolver,
-    the Bestower of Forms (or colors).
To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names:
Whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory:
and He is the exalted in Might, the Wise. (Holy Quran 59:22-24)
Now is God really distant from us? The Quran answers no:
186.When my servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them); I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me;
let them also, with a will, listen to My call, and believe in Me; that they may walk in the right way. (Quran 2:186)
Now, do Muslims love God? Or is it just about fear?
Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) says in Al Bukhari:
Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, “Whoever possesses the following three qualities will have the sweetness (delight) of faith: 1. The one to whom Allah and His Apostle becomes dearer than anything else. 2. Who loves a person and he loves him only for Allah’s sake. 3. Who hates to revert to Atheism (disbelief) as he hates to be thrown into the fire.”
Does Allah love Muslims?
31.Say (O Muhammad):
If ye do love Allah, follow me: Allah will love you, and forgive you your sins,
for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”

76. Nay. Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright, verily Allah loves those who act aright.
134. Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;for Allah loves those who do good.
(Holy Quran 3:31,76,134)
Does Allah love the unbelievers?
32. Say: “Obey Allah and His Messenger;”
but if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith.
57. “As to those who believe and work righteousness, Allah will pay them (in full) their reward;
but Allah loveth not those who do wrong. (Holy Quran 3:32,57)
Christians may come and say, “This is the difference between God in Christianity and God in Islam, as God in Christianity loves disbelievers as well”. Actually I find it misleading when Christians say so, as Christians keep on saying that if we don’t believe in Jesus as our saviour we will go to the Hell and the lake of fire and sulphur. So God in Christianity loves me but he will punish me eternally in Hell. Does these really match? I doubt.

Friday, June 7, 2013

Kaaba in Biblical Scriptures

This shall be a brief account on what the Bible said about the Islamic Kaaba in Mecca.
Allah in the Quran telling about the Kaaba says:
96. The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings: (Quran 2:96)
In Psalm 84 it says:
4 Blessed are those who dwell in your house;
they are ever praising you.
Selah
5 Blessed are those whose strength is in you,
who have set their hearts on pilgrimage.
6 As they pass through the Valley of  Baca,
they make it a place of springs;
the autumn rains also cover it with pools.
7 They go from strength to strength,
till each appears before God in Zion.
8 Hear my prayer, O LORD God Almighty;
listen to me, O God of Jacob.

So the word Valley of Baca is clearly mentioned here, and mentioned as a noun not translated to weeping as some other Biblical versions translate. Meaning it’s a real place not just a metaphorical one.
Then it comes to something else:
they make it a place of springs;
the autumn rains also cover it with pools.

Don’t you know that Mecca has the spring of Zamzam which is a huge spring that has been producing water continuously for more than 1400 years and the pipelines transporting Zamzam water to Al Madina (about 400 km north) which is even an independent miracle in that blessed place.
Zion doesn’t necessarily mean Jerusalem, it has been used figuratively for the church and for Israel in the Babylonian captivity, so it seems like it has been used for any group or mass of people worshiping God, which can be applied on Kaaba here. This can even be seen among Christian sites:
Zion
The word Zion has various meanings in the scriptures. The most general definition of the word is “the pure in heart” (D&C 97:21). Zion is often used in this way to refer to the Lord’s people or to the Church and its stakes (see D&C 82:14). It has also been used to refer to specific geographical locations.
Meaning of Zion
1. (n) an imaginary place considered to be perfect or ideal
2. (n) Jewish republic in southwestern Asia at eastern end of Mediterranean; formerly part of Palestine
3. (n) originally a stronghold captured by David (the 2nd king of the Israelites); above it was built a temple and later the name extended to the whole hill; finally it became a synonym for the city of Jerusalem; “the inhabitants of Jerusalem are personified as
What can even prove that the Bible talked about the house of God is in Genesis 22 in Targum Onkelos.Targum Onkelos (or Unkelus), is the official eastern (Babyloniantargum (Aramaic translation) to the Torah. However, its early origins may have been western, in Israel. Its authorship is attributed to Onkelos, אונקלוס, a famous convert to Judaism in Tannaic times (c.35–120 a.d).According to Jewish tradition, the content of Targum Onkelos was originally conveyed by God to Moses at Mount Sinai. However, it was later forgotten by the masses, and rerecorded by Onkelos.[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targum_Onkelos
Targum Onkelos when telling Genesis 22, gave some interesting issues:
And Abraham lifted up his eyes after these (words), and saw, and behold, one ram, holden in the bush by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him for a burnt offering instead of his son. And Abraham worshipped and prayed there in that place, and said before the Lord, Here shall generations worship: wherefore it shall be paid in that day, In this mountain Abraham worshipped before the Lord.[26]
This part in bold is not included in other Bible translations, it’s between verses 14 and 15. Here it talks about a place where Abraham offered his son, and this place was a place that generations shall worship God in. According to my knowledge, I don’t know a place Jews or Christians celebrate Abraham’s sacrifice and worship God in. But actually in Islam, we have a major feast which is Eid al Adha which can be translated to feast of sacrifice, where we believe that this place is in Mecca. Not only that, but Muslims go to Kaaba for pilgrimage in Eid al Adha.

Thursday, July 12, 2007

A Burden upon Arabia

This prophecy also is one of the important prophecies telling about Muhammad (Peace be upon him):
Isa 21:13 The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye caravans of Dedanites. Isa 21:14 Unto him that was thirsty they brought water; the inhabitants of the land of Tema did meet the fugitives with their bread. Isa 21:15 For they fled away from the swords, from the drawn sword, and from the bent bow, and from the grievousness of war. Isa 21:16 For thus hath the Lord said unto me, Within a year, according to the years of a hireling, all the glory of Kedar shall fail; Isa 21:17 and the residue of the number of the archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar, shall be few; for Jehovah, the God of Israel, hath spoken it.
This prophecy tells about the migration of Muhammad(Peace be upon him) from Mecca to Medina with his intimate disciple Abu Bakr, Muhammad(Peace be upon him). The Arab pagans tried to kill Muhammad(Peace be upon him) by swords while he is getting out of his house to migrate, but God blinded them and made them all fall asleep while he gets out, and he passed peacefully. (Ibn Hisham)
Tema today is a city in the north of Medina, and it seems from the script here that it is Medina, then the prophecy tells about the Battle of Badr which happened after the migration and Muslims defeated the Arab pagans, and most of their leaders were killed in that battle, this was the beginning of their end.

Monday, July 9, 2007

Psalm 45

This was also one of the prophecies foretelling about Muhammad not Jesus(Peace be upon them), to prove this, we can look at the prophecy itself:
Psa 45:2 Thou art fairer than the children of men; Grace is poured into thy lips: Therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.
Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was very fair, Al-Bara' was asked, "Was the face of the Prophet (as bright) as a sword?" He said, "No, but (as bright) as a moon." (Bukhari), and Muhammad(Peace be upon him) was very rhetorical and this is very clear in his hadiths.
Psa 45:3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O mighty one, Thy glory and thy majesty.
Muhammad (Peace be upon him) fought God's enemies, while Jesus (Peace be upon him) said:
Joh 18:11 Jesus therefore said unto Peter, Put up the sword into the sheath: the cup which the Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?
Some may refer this to his second coming, so let's continue on:
Psa 45:8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia; Out of ivory palaces stringed instruments have made thee glad.
Muhammad (Peace be upon him) ruled and received gifts from Egyptian ruler, and from Heraclius, while Jesus (Peace be upon him) didn't rule.
Psa 45:9 Kings' daughters are among thy honorable women: At thy right hand doth stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
You believe that Jesus (Peace be upon him) didn't marry either kings' daughters or other women, but Muhammad (Peace be upon him) married 2 daughters of Arab leaders, and after his death, his descendent Al Hussein married the daughter of the last Persian king.
Psa 45:10 Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; Forget also thine own people, and thy father's house: Psa 45:11 So will the king desire thy beauty; For he is thy lord; and reverence thou him.
This daughter is Safiyya daughter of Hoyay ibn Akhtab, this man was one of the Jewish leaders who fought Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him), and then Prophet Muhammad married her.
Saffiyah says, "I was my father's and my uncle's favorite child. When the Messenger of Allah came to Madinah and stayed at Quba, my parents went to him at night and when they looked disconcerted and worn out. I received them cheerfully but to my surprise no one of them turned to me. They were so grieved that they did not feel my presence. I heard my uncle, Abu Yasir, saying to my father, 'Is it really him (the final prophet) ?' He said, 'Yes, by Allah'. My uncle said: 'Can you recognize him and confirm this?' He said, 'Yes'. My uncle said, 'How do you feel towards him?' He said, 'By Allah I shall be his enemy as long as I live.'" (Ibn Hisham, As-Sirah an-Nabawiyyah)
Then the Prophet defeated Hoyayy in Khaibar's battle, and took Safiyya for himself, "at the beginning she used to hate him because he killed her father and husband, the Prophet kept on apologizing to her and telling:Your father charged the Arabs against me and committed heinous act," he apologized to the extent that made Safiyyah get rid of her bitterness against the Prophet" as mentioned by Al Bayhaqi in Dalael Al Nobowwa, And made her to choose if she would be free from captivation, or that she would marry him, and she chose to marry him as narrated by Ibn Hibban.
You may object saying that this Psalm tells about the Messiah, and give the script:
Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Psa 45:7 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness: Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Well, when the Psalm says "O God", this is a praise for God, but then it came in verse 7, and retells about Muhammad (Peace be upon him), and it's very clear when it says "Therefore God, thy God hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.", this clearly tells that the Messiah is not God, the word Messiah doesn't necessarily mean Jesus (Peace be upon him), but it means the annointed man as mentioned in 2Sa 1:14 concerning Saul.
2Sa 1:14 And David said unto him, How wast thou not afraid to put forth thy hand to destroy Jehovah's anointed?
This word for anointed is:
H4899
משׁיח mâshîyach maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.
http://christismuslim.googlepages.com/psalm45

Isaiah 42


This is also one of the fantastic prophecies telling about Muhammad (Peace be upon him). This prophecy was told in the Hadiths, there is a lot of variation between it and what is said in Isaiah, but textual variants are present much in Bible scripts, and there are many inaccurate quotes made by writers of the NT, lets look at the hadith in Bukhari:
"O Prophet ! We have sent you as a witness (for Allah's True religion) And a giver of glad tidings (to the faithful believers), And a warner (to the unbelievers) And guardian of the illiterates(gentiles). You are My slave and My messenger (i.e. Apostle). I have named you "Al-Mutawakkil" (who depends upon Allah). You are neither discourteous, harsh Nor a noise-maker in the markets And you do not do evil to those Who do evil to you, but you deal With them with forgiveness and kindness. Allah will not let him (the Prophet) Die till he makes straight the crooked people by making them say: "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah," With which will be opened blind eyes And deaf ears and enveloped hearts."
Now let's examine the Biblical script:
Isa 42:1 Behold, my servant, whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
The first thing the prophecy tells about is that the one being foretold is that he is a servant for God, which can't be applied for Jesus(Peace be upon him) by the Christian view since Christians say that he is God, it may be said that this is for the human nature, this won't be logical because if God wants to foretell about his coming, He would have foretold about the divine nature not the human nature, since all of us are humans, so there won't be something new in the prophecy.
Then the prophecy tells that he will bring justice to the gentiles, this also is not Jesus (Peace be upon him) because he said "I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. "(Mat 15:24), somene will object telling that he ordered the disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world, well these are the disciples not him, and this was confirmed by Albert Barnes:
"Mat_15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent ... - This answer was made to the woman, not to the disciples.
The "lost sheep of the house of Israel" were the Jews. He came first to them. He came as their expected Messiah. He came to preach the gospel himself to the Jews only. Afterward it was preached to the Gentiles, but the ministry of Jesus was confined almost entirely to the Jews."
Isa 42:2 He will not cry, nor lift up his voice, nor cause it to be heard in the street. Isa 42:3 A bruised reed will he not break, and a dimly burning wick will he not quench: he will bring forth justice in truth. Isa 42:4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set justice in the earth; and the isles shall wait for his law.
Then the prophecy tells about his morals, you can read the morals section to see how was the Prophet's actions, see for example these hadiths:
Anas Ibn Malik reported: I served the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) for ten years, and, by Allah, he never said to me any harsh word, and he never said to me about a thing as to why I had done that and as to why I had not done that. (Al Bukhari)
The Prophet never took revenge (over anybody) for his own sake but (he did) only when Allah's Legal Bindings were outraged in which case he would take revenge for Allah's Sake. And he never used bad language. He used to say "The best amongst you are those who have the best manners and character."He never criticized any food (presented him), but he would eat it if he liked it; otherwise, he would leave it without expressing his dislike. ( Al Bukhari more than one hadith)
He kept on telling about Islam, and faced a lot of harm, but he wasn't discouraged till God gave him the victory.
The prophecy approaches and says that the isles shall wait for his law, Muhammad(Peace be upon him) came with the final law, while Jesus (Peace be upon him) didn't come to abolish but to fulfill.
Isa 42:11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit; let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
Then the prophecy gives 2 special places, Kedar and Sela, Kedar is the second son of Ishmael (Genesis 25:13), Sela is a mountain in Medina, and it was mentioned in hadiths, you may say that the Bible's dictionary tells that it is Petra, well there may be more than one Sela as Seir for example:
H8165
say-eer'
Formed like H8163; rough; Seir, a mountain of Idumaea and its aboriginal occupants, also one in Palestine: - Seir.(Strong's dictionary)
Besides according to what I know nothing happened in Petra with Jesus (Peace be upon him), and even if it was Petra, Petra is in Jordan which is a Muslim country. You may say that this verse meant that all people will be happy with the coming of Jesus, I say: Christianity in Arabia was limited in Najran in Yemen, and in the borders with the Roman country which was mostly a political alliance not a real belief, but as for the overwhelming majority of Arabs, they were not Christians, and Christians were very few, but when Islam came, all of them became Muslims, if the prophecy really meant that it would have said Rome for example or any city which is well-known to be a citadel of Christianity.
Isa 42:13 Jehovah will go forth as a mighty man; he will stir up his zeal like a man of war: he will cry, yea, he will shout aloud; he will do mightily against his enemies.
Then the prophecy tells about fighting God's enemy which is certainly what Muhammad (Peace be upon him) did, while Jesus(Peace be upon him) didn't fight.
Isa 42:17 They shall be turned back, they shall be utterly put to shame, that trust in graven images, that say unto molten images, Ye are our gods.
Then it tells that those who worship the idols would come into shame, Muhammad(Peace be upon him) was sent to a pagan environment, while Jesus (Peace be upon him) was sent to the Jews.
Finally the prophecy says:
Isa 42:18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. Isa 42:19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I send? who is blind as he that is at peace with me, and blind as Jehovah's servant?
Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was seeking God before being a prophet, as God says in the Quran:
52. And thus have We revealed to thee the Word by Our command. Thou didst not know what the Book was, nor what the faith. But We have made the revelation a light, whereby We guide such of Our servants as WE please. And, truly, thou guidest mankind to the right path, (Holy Quran 42:52)
While Jesus (Peace be upon him) was in an Israelite environment who had God's message, and he went to the temple since he was young, so this can't be applied on him.